Showing posts with label South Carolina. Show all posts
Showing posts with label South Carolina. Show all posts

Saturday, November 1, 2003

The Brits in Florida and the Old South

While we were in Baton Rouge, we got a call from Jean and Gordon- they had a few weeks and wanted to meet us in the States! So, we beat feet back to Titusville and TGO to get ready for a British adventure!
Jean and Gordon arrived and we got them settled into their “guest suite” at TGO. The house actually worked quite well with guests – quite a change from the close quarters in Boston. We did face the challenge of how to make this trip memorable. After all, their first two visits to the States had been NYC, Boston and New Orleans. Here we were in Florida- home to Mickey and Minnie – with explicit instructions that Disney was not to be a part of our itinerary! No worries- we managed to pack the two weeks with Florida sights and a road trip. While we didn’t make the Mickey pilgrimage, we did spend a day at Universal Studios in Orlando. We had to make the Brits experience at least one theme park in Florida.

We explored the Titusville area- having some up-close and personal looks at the manatees and a day at the Kennedy Space Center.

We headed north to take in October’s Bike Week in Daytona Beach. We found a few great biker bars where the people watching was astounding and the beers very large!

Florida was not going to hold our attention for the entire time- although Jean did enjoy the sun and got her daily dose of Florida sunshine. So, we decided to try a road-trip in the motorhome. 40 feet and 4 adults was close quarters- but we managed to make it work. We headed north to Charleston to give them a flavor of the historic and elegant south. We did the traditional walking tour of the historic district with a wonderfully proper Southern lady who explained the history and architecture of this gorgeous city. Then- we got on board with the “Black Tour” of Charleston. As we walked onto the packed bus, the 4 white folks were asked to “move to the back of the bus” accompanied by hoots of laughter from everyone. We knew it was going to be a great tour. We learned a whole other side of the city from this tour- hearing the stories of slave labor, slave uprisings, as well as a host of other things we didn’t know about the black culture. We were quite taken with the old wives tales that everyone contributed…especially the one about putting menstrual blood into dirty rice and serving it to your man to assure that he would be yours forever! Gordon’s going to think twice if Jean serves him dirty rice at home.

We finished off our tour with a stop at Martha Lou’s and had some of her famous fried chicken, cornbread and collard greens.















We ate our way through Charleston – from Martha Lou’s to Bowen’s Island to Poogan’s Porch to The Wreck…..shrimp and oysters and fried food with lots of wine and beer!

We got up on Sunday morning ready to head to Savannah….until we tried to pull the slide in- and it didn’t move. Fortunately, John the handy man and Gordon the engineer managed to figure out how to pull the slide in and we were on our way. Savannah really captured the beauty of the south and it got a slightly higher grade on sheer beauty by the Brits. We did the standard trolley tour and the mandatory viewing of “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.”

The time flew by- and we were saying goodbye to the Brits. The house seemed pretty empty without them!

Sunday, December 15, 2002

"Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil"

After an evening of running the numbers on the Charleston house, we came to the conclusion that, although we loved the house, it wouldn’t support our lifestyle. We decided that we really need a home with at least one dependency to cover our fixed costs and give us the freedom to travel. With the Charleston house, we would have required about 9 months of executive rental to cover our fixed costs- so we’d have a beautiful home, but wouldn’t be able to live in it ourselves.

So, we were off to Savannah- The weather turned on us and it was pouring rain all morning. In the afternoon, we drove out to Savannah’s beach community, Tybee Island. It was a 40’s style beach community filled with a range of housing styles (mostly small and tacky) and a few restaurants. We stopped at the local crab shack for an overprice “thimble” of clam chowder. With high prices and an unheated dining room, we opted to dine at the Korean restaurant. It was wonderful to have spicy Korean food again.

The area around the KOA where we were staying was rural Georgia- lots of auto parts stores and churches (with signs like, “God answers kneemail”). All the men own brand new SUV trucks and like to start them up early in the morning and just let them idle a while.



We spent the day touring Savannah. We took a trolley tour (all three of us- although we had to keep Mija hidden under a map to try to stop the smells from wafting through the entire trolley). She was definitely ready for a bath.

Savannah is a simply beautiful city- maybe the most beautiful Historic District ever. The city was planned with a series of public squares filled with huge live oak trees and fountains. The feeling of neighborhood is spectacular. It reminded us of Boston’s South End. There is a lot of gentrification and also a lot of gorgeous unrestored homes.

We had lunch at Clary’s (featured in “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil”). It was another hearty lunch. We took their famous bread pudding home for my birthday dessert. We rented “the” movie and had bread pudding for dinner. It was a wonderful birthday.

We spent the next day driving through the historic district and getting a better sense of the housing. We used the real estate guide to get a sense of the housing costs and found some beautiful properties. It was time to call a realtor to see if this city would make the list.

Armed with a book on Historic Savannah, we did another drive around seeing the areas outside the HD- the Victorian District (both the “Afro-Victorian” and “Gentro-Victorian” areas) and Ardsley Park (a kind of Cleveland Heights with beautiful squares). We stopped at two open houses on Jones Street. Jones Street is one of the most beautiful streets we’d ever seen. Rows of beautiful townhomes lined with live oak trees and brick streets. The first house was beautiful from the outside, but the inside was the work of a local Home Depot job –and it was horribly over-priced. The second house on East Jones was an interesting property. It had the feeling of our house in Boston when you walked in – with heart pine floors, very high ceilings, floor to ceiling windows in the living room and master bedroom, a beautiful backyard and a 2 car carport. It had been vacant for over a year and was definitely a property that we could tackle. We had a quick lunch on the riverfront at one of the many tourist restaurants. It’s the Quincy Market of Savannah- lots of tourist shops, bars and restaurants.

The next day, we dropped Mija off at “Spa Dog” for her day at the spa. We headed off to Celia Dunn Real Estate to meet with Celia herself. We had a 2 hour meeting with Celia. She was a local Savannah resident-and a huge supporter of renovation in the Historic District.

A few notes on real estate in Savannah:
Any modifications to the exterior have to be approved by the Historic Review Board (some can be made by the staff, some require a committee review.)
The rental market is primarily SCAD students (grad and under-grad) and young professionals.
Local industry is doing OK- there’s some talk of Daimler Chrysler building a plant. Otherwise, locally things are fairly stable- with the main industry of manufacturing (steel, tractor equipment, sugar, paper), banks and the port.
The Historic District is a real neighborhood where people know each other and look out for each other. Crime is a problem- primarily auto theft, but also assaults and home burglaries. Much of the violent crime is black on black, but there is a large ‘indigent’ population that increases the theft problem.
Property taxes are high- a rough estimate is 2% of the selling price of the house. There are both city and country taxes.

Something is nagging at us about this beautiful city. The local paper (which doesn’t seem to cover any national news, but is filled with local info) has been reporting on the high crime rate, the flight from the city (a 4% decline in 10 years), and the high taxes. The crime rate has placed Savannah in the top 10 of all metropolitan areas in the US. Security systems abound (along with ‘beware of dog’ signs). The local mayoral election is starting with one candidate declaring a war on crime as his first priority. There appears to be a general lack of leadership/vision in the city.

We spent the afternoon with our realtor looking at properties in the Historic District. The range of properties and prices were stunning. We saw new construction (with elevator and carriage house) for $490K and town homes for $925K with no parking. We kept coming back to the house on East Jones and spent some time re-looking at the property. It could be beautiful and the block is spectacular. But, again, it’s too much, too soon.

Beaufort----
We took a day trip to Beaufort, SC to see if it was as beautiful as we remembered it from our last visit. It was truly charming. So charming in fact, that we called a realtor and spent the afternoon looking at housing in the historic district (Old Point) and the surrounding communities.

According to Judy, the realtor, about 70% of the buyers are coming from outside the area. About 1/3 are looking for anything on the water or with a water view. About 1/3 are looking for golf communities and the last 1/3 are looking for historic properties. The lower home market is going strong- largely due to low interest rates and the 2 military bases close to Beaufort. Over $300K, it’s a bit slower moving. There’s a large market for ST rentals, but very little availability. The real estate company rents a small cottage for $1200/month furnished. Most of the demand comes from people who are in town building and want to be close to the site, but don’t want to move their stuff. There’s also a market for military personnel coming in on temporary living allowances. They just opened Oaks Apartments- furnished two bedroom apartments rent for $1500/month. Judy expects appreciation at 10-15% on housing.

The housing in Old Point was lovely- we looked at a beautiful Victorian (needed some work, but it had a lovely feel- high ceilings, open rooms). It didn’t have parking and needed some structural work – and had been on the market for over a year. We also looked at several other properties downtown and one with a water view. While the views were lovely, the house was unimpressive - open floor plan with a in-ground pool and a guest apartment. It was priced at only $415K, but there were lots galore in the same area.

Sea Islands...
Content that we’d seen Savannah and surround well enough to count it in as a possibility, we headed south to the Sea Islands of Georgia. First, we stopped for lunch at the TA Truck Stop restaurant. For $4.99, we had a ½ pound hamburger with fries- enough food to feed a truck driver (or in our case, enough for the two of us and several meals for Mija) When we got to the the Sea Island area, we stopped in a state park with beautiful live oaks and no possibility of satellite reception. So, we tried the park down the road. While lacking in any atmosphere (most of the sites were water logged or filled with muck, we were able to find a relatively dry spot, got satellite reception and called it home for a few days.

We took a drive to Brunswick to track down a book store (limited, but it was a book store- which is hard to find in the south). Then we took a quick stop at the TA and FlyingJ Truck stops. The parking lots were filled with RV’s- most of them from Quebec- spending the night for free on their way to Florida. All the campgrounds and truck stops are filled with snowbirds making their way south before Christmas.

We did a tour of the Sea Islands – starting with Sea Island. We drove around the Cloisters, where John’s family vacationed when they were kids. It was definitely white man’s land. We asked one of the “help” for directions to the swimming pool. He rolled his eyes and said, “No sir, I don’t rightly know”

From there, we drove all around St Simon’s- a bastion of white money. The south is filled with white people with money living in enclaves (gated communities or named communities) while the poor whites live in run down homes or mobile homes- completely separated from the poor blacks.

Fleeing the white bread atmosphere of St Simons, we found the historic district of Brunswick. Completely surrounded by run-down black neighborhoods with a small buffer of white red-neck housing, it was several blocks of large, beautiful Victorian homes in various stages of renovation. The streets were lined with live oaks and it was truly lovely. (They had a unique real estate pitch- a drive by house description- just turn to 1610 on your AM dial and listen to a description of the house. ). On the way out of town, we drove through the historic downtown area- with too many ‘for rent” signs in the windows.

We drove north to Darien, hoping to find a small town with a historic district, but didn’t find much but an outlet mall and a few old houses. John says that the south is filled with “live oaks and dead brains”.

Jekyll Island...
Our last stop was at Jekyll Island. The island is owned by the State of Georgia and the scenery is spectacular. The island was originally the playground of the Rockefellers, Goodyears, etc. They built a huge private club and gorgeous “cottages” for their summer retreats. Now, the club is a hotel and the cottages are art galleries and inns. Surrounding the beautiful homes was a development of 60’s style brick ranch houses with the most amazing views of the Intracoastal Waterway.

Monday, November 25, 2002

Could Charleston be our new home?

It was on to Charleston and the KOA in Mount Pleasant. Coming to Charleston was like coming home. We found our old notes from our trip in 1994 and started to re-discover our favorite spots. We ate at The Wreck on Shem’s Creek – the best fried shrimp in the world.


We spent the day exploring Charleston – driving the streets and looking at the spectacular houses and neighborhoods. We stopped for lunch at Poogan’s Porch on Queen Street and I had their fried chicken salad – it was wonderful. We knew that this city was a possible “home base” for us so we met with a realtor in the morning and got an introduction to the neighborhoods, the market and got some listing sheets to give us the chance to drive around and get a bit more comfortable with the city. We looked at South of Broad, Harleston Village, Wraggsboro and Ansonboro. We grabbed lunch at Cru Café (another re-run for us) and it was wonderful to sit outside in 70 degree weather in November.

Thanksgiving Day- November 28th- We had the option of doing the traditional turkey dinner at one of the local restaurants, but opted instead to go to one of the two Indian restaurants in the city- Nirlep (which means ‘peace’ in Hindi). It was spicy hot and the perfect way to spend the holiday.

The day after Thanksgiving and it was time for some serious house hunting – we started with the $1.3M house on Pitt Street. It was simply stunning – double piazza, high ceilings, perfectly decorated with two “dependencies” in the back bringing in about $2000 in rental per month. They had incorporated the ruins of the old stable into a beautiful garden complete with potting shed. But, it was a bit too much house for us- and the price tag was just a bit too high. We went to a series of other houses, primarily in Harleston Village and they ranged from charming to over-priced. But, the house on Wentworth, however, got our attention. It was built in 1810 and moved to its’ current location (= new foundation). It had a grand piazza, 3 car garage, spectacular garden, 12 foot ceilings and was stunningly decorated (the current owner was an interior designer). They had a tragic story- they lost their oldest son in a car crash and the womans’s health went down hill. So, they were moving to be close to their other son in Tennessee. We loved the house – it had “oomph”.

We headed out to Bowen’s Island for dinner to talk about the house and whether we really wanted to get a house at this stage. We had many glasses of wine and a full dinner of shrimp and oysters and talked with the “chef”, Henry.

The next day, we drove through Sullivans Island and Isle of Palms, had a great lunch at the Banana Cabana. The beach communities here are done very tastefully. The housing stock was mixed, with huge houses on one side of the street and 60’s style housing on the other. But, the prices were well over $1M-and it’s still a beach community.

December 1st and the weather is beautiful- sunny, crisp days – sweater weather. We had a quiet Sunday morning- reading the paper and having a big breakfast. We had a few more houses to look at/drive by. Lina, the realtor, has ignored our $$ limit and had us looking at houses from well over our budget. We tried to do a modeling of the cost/benefit of the house on Wentworth- but still need some information to fill in the blanks. At lunch, Poogans Porch, we talked about a lifestyle where we would be always available to rent out the house. It might be a possibility- a justification to getting this beautiful house. But there was still that nagging doubt that we just weren’t ready for a house commitment yet.

We met with Lina at 10:00 and spent about an hour at the Wentworth house. Hoping that our second impression would find fault with the house, we found that we were still bowled over by the beauty of this place. It was truly “Debbie’s Dream House”. We took a look at a few other properties but nothing could compare to this house.

Friday, November 22, 2002

Myrtle Beach

Off to Myrtle Beach. It was a gorgeous, sunny day and the 85 miles went by quickly.
We made a stop at Camping World. It was filled with people over 55, mostly couples, wandering the aisles picking up “stuff”. Meanwhile, 50’s and 60’s music played in the background.
We opted not to go to one of the 5 or 6 huge “family campgrounds” in Myrtle Beach and headed to Huntington Beach State Park. The park was the only piece of property not completely overrun by ticky-tacky hotels, restaurants and shopping centers. It was beautiful- wooded campsites with trails directly to the ocean – all for only $19/night.

Since it was Friday night, we decided to go out for dinner. We stopped at Pawley’s Island Tavern and Restaurant- expecting a cheap dive. We got the dive part, but the cheap wasn’t part of it. It obviously catered to the northern transplants with $5 wine and $4 beers. But, the fish was fresh and wonderful.

Pawley’s Island claims to be “arrogantly shabby”. It was a mix of old and new style houses. The houses on the island itself weren’t anything to write home about, but they had both an oceanside and an inlet side with slips on the inlet side.

Georgtown was adorable- another Mayberry RFD town. The main street ended at the steel mill and the waterfront had a view of the paper mill. The housing was a mix of 1800’s and 1930’s architecture with only one street (2nd street) with any real charm.

We decided to look at one of the gated communities and get some sense of price and atmosphere. We stopped at “deBordieu”. It was awful- manicured grounds with a serious security system. They wouldn’t even let us drive through the community. Prices ranged from $600K and way up. We decided that even if resale would be good as babyboomers retire, we couldn’t live in a community like this.

We grabbed a pulled pork sandwich at Hog Heaven restaurant before heading north. We drove through Murrell’s Inlet which was basically one long row of seafood restaurants. Garden City was a mobile home park – streets lined with mobile home “communities”.

Myrtle Beach was the worst of Florida beach front. They even had mobile homes on stilts.
Note- The honky-tonk ocean development starts in NJ and goes all the way to Florida. The only exceptions are state parks and gated communities.

We drove through one of the family RV parks and were promptly horrified. It wasn’t hard to imagine what it would be like in the summer with every one of their 1400+ sites filled. In addition to the RV sites, they also had a trailer park where they added permanent additions onto their mobile homes.

We stopped to take a photo of the classic southern restaurant- SBB Burnout Saloon (the “Suck, Bang, Blow” – “Thaaatts Right”….